I did a lot of research in the last few days, and boy am I ticked off now--once again. Many of you might recall my previous complaints about Incredimail. If not, click here to catch up. Yes, Incredimail took content that was free before and put a price tag on it, even for the faithful users who bought their program. I feel that this was wrong, and to get right to the point, they've done it AGAIN very recently. Remember their Junk Mail filtering feature built into Incredimail? Well, I just learned that they removed it and now call it "Junk Filter Plus" and charge a fee for it. And on top of that, it's an ANNUAL fee!! This is horrible, and certainly tells you what you can expect from them. It's all about the money. Gotta keep the machine running. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the near future we see a "PLATINUM" gallery appear, which would contain content even BETTER than their "Gold Content" and cost yet another--completely separate--fee, most likely annual.
That's not all though--they've done one more thing that really sucks. They wrote an "Outlook Addon" for Incredimail some time ago, over a year ago. This add-on is really the only reason I still used Incredimail. I use Outlook for my e-mail, so I get the huge benefits of all of Outlook's features (contact management, excellent calendaring, sophisticated e-mail features, etc.) yet I can still use Incredimail stationery, animations, e-cards, etc., when I want, at the click of a button.
So, when I thought about it I began to wonder if there have been any updates to the Incredimail Outlook Add-on. I went to Incredimail's site and was shocked to find no mention of it whatsoever! It's been completely removed from their site, and even all of the links right from the Outlook Addon itself that go to Incredimail's site--like Help, Tips, and FAQ's--give me an error! The pages don't exist at all any more! So my fear was that they discontinued this product because people using it don't constantly see the annoying "Junk Filter Plus" folder that nags you to buy it every time you click on it. In an initial attempt to try to determine what they're doing, I sent a VIP support message to them and told them I use the Outlook Add-on and I reformatted my PC and reinstalled everything, but I don't have a copy of the Addon any more, so I need to reinstall it. I asked them where I can get it because I can't find it on their site any more. Here's the response I got:
Hello,
I apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced, however we no longer provide support for IncrediMail for Office Outlook Add-On and it is no longer available for download.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Best regards,
Ronen IncrediMail Support
This was an annoying short response to my request, and since Ronen told me to let him know if I have any more questions, I replied with a few more:
Ronen,
Yes, actually I do have more questions. First of all, the only reason I still used Incredimail's content and features is because of the Outlook Add-On. I was never happy with the Incredimail Program itself, it was too feature-limited for my needs. Outlook 2003 has everything I need, and with the Incredimail Add-On for it I was very happy. My next question is therefore: Has another company taken over support and development of the Add-On, or has it been scrapped altogether?
Another question I have is why? Why would you abandon an entire group of Incredimail users like this by dropping a very useful program like this?
Lastly, I just wanted to comment on the growing trend I have seen with Incredimail over the years that saddens me. I have used Incredimail from the beginning when I bought the Premium version of the program and enjoyed the entire Gallery and the "Download Entire Album" feature and many other advantages. Then I was disappointed to see a lot of that content literally taken away from me when you add the "Gold Gallery" feature. A lot of the the previously-free content was now in the Gold Gallery and inaccessible to me. I watched for months and months as the gold gallery grew, and eventually I took the plunge and purchased a lifetime membership. During this same period you developed the nice Junkmail filtering features into Incredimail, and I was sure glad I had the premium version so I could reap the benefits of it. Then it happened again--The Junkmail features were mysteriously taken away from me in one update and now you wanted more money--this time ANNUALLY--to provide features that were previously included in the Premium version I paid for!! Then this last problem with you dumping the Outlook Add-On completely--I just can't figure out how your company can stay in business this way. You seem to constantly disappoint your loyal, paying customers, continuously asking for more and more money as you take away more and more features. It's like you're holding features of your own software and gallery hostage. I just don't get it. I can see a company needing a decent regular inflow of cash, but at what point is enough enough? When does the greed stop and Customer Support begin?? I, for one, am probably done with Incredimail now, after having purchased the Premium & Letter Creator Bundle and the Lifetime Gold License. What a waste. But I won't give up Outlook 2003 and go back to using the limited Incredimail program. If the add-on isn't available anywhere else I will be looking to other options for HTML e-mail creation, stationery, and notifiers.
So when can we expect the "Platinum Gallery" to be unveiled? I guess it will have even better quality letters, notifiers and skins...? But at what price?
--Jim T
I don't expect a satisfactory response to my questions, if I get anything at all, but I'll be sure to post any response I get.
So I'm beginning to look at alternatives once again, only this time there's a difference. I'm still using Outlook for my e-mail, contacts, appointments, calendar, etc., so that won't change. It's an excellent program with tons of features. Microsoft--And every other respectable software company I've seen before--Doesn't have a policy of routinely removing program features and content and charging a fee for them, so I don't think I have to worry about losing features in Outlook that I value, so I'll stick with it. I would just like to find a source for nice, quality stationery. I'm open to suggestions.
Update: 12/13/05 - I received two e-mails from Ronen this morning. Here's the first one:
In regards to the IncrediMail for Office - Outlook Add-on, is was not taken by another company, at the moment, we no longer provide support for this product and therefore, it is no longer available for download.
We may consider adding it again in the future.
Thank you for your feedback.
We are always happy to receive suggestions that may help us improve IncrediMail and our service.
Best regards,
Ronen IncrediMail Support
And the second one:
Hello,
I would like to apologize for the inconvenience that you experienced.
I understand your point of view and your claim that when you first downloaded and began to use IncrediMail, JunkFilter was available to all users free of charge.
The basic JunkFilter was previously available to all IncrediMail users, be it IncrediMail Premium members or users of the free version. This should clarify that the basic JunkFilter was not a part of any IncrediMail package previously offered - it was offered to all our users for free.
Please keep in mind that the basic JunkFilter that you previously enjoyed is no longer available. We have replaced the basic JunkFilter with an improved and much more powerful anti-spam tool - the JunkFilter Plus.
Since JunkFilter Plus is a major upgrade to the basic JunkFilter that was previously offered, it is subscription-based. It is important for me to re-emphasize and for you to recognize that the JunkFilter was not part of the Premium package that you purchased.
We certainly did not remove ANY features that were and still are a part of the Premium package that our users purchased. I hope you can recognize that new offerings simply cannot be included as added features in packages that our users purchased in the past.
As an IncrediMail Premium user, it is important for me that you remain a satisfied user, and I would therefore like to offer you a $20 discount coupon for the first year of the JunkFilter Plus yearly subscription.
Let me know if you wish to take advantage of this offer and I will send you a coupon.
Best regards,
Ronen
IncrediMail Support
So basically he told me everything I already knew, and I knew the JunkFilter was part of the basic Incredimail program as well as the Premium, but it was still removed! They DID remove features, but they'd rather talk their way around it by telling us we didn't pay for them. But if JunkFilter Plus is so much better than JunkFilter, why did they even HAVE to remove JunkFilter? Why leave all of your existing users totally unprotected when you once helped them control their JunkMail, even if only a little bit? It just doesn't seem right to me.
The discount offer was pretty much what I expected. If it gets me into their annual subscription system, sure, why wouldn't they give me money off up-front?
Well, I've had it. I am finally throwing in the towel and giving up. There are no refunds on their Premium program or Gold Gallery, and I have Lifetime Licenses for both, so I'm out the money, but it was a lesson well learned.
All I can say is "More Power To Open Source!" And I hope to see an awesome program of this nature in the future. Thunderbird is sure a far-superior open-source e-mail client already, and it's been out for quite some time. It just needs more add-ons to offer templating abilities similar too (and hopefully much better) than Incredimail does.
I hope this posting helps others in some small way, whether you're searching for a nice e-mail client, having your own troubles with Incedimail, or just looking for something better. Learn from my mistakes.
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Same treatment Written by Exile on 2006-01-22 09:03:33 Dear Jim, Just a note to say thanks for verbalizing the frustrations and disappointment! I just got the same lame excuses and am currently waiting for "Tal" to respond to my beef about them taking away the old Junk Filter. I just can't seem to make them understand- Idon't WANT their new and improved Junk Filter, I just want to continue using the old one. But, like you say, "It's all about the money. Gotta keep the machine running...." GREED is destroying a very fine Graphically Based E-mail client. As I write this, I am downloading the Thunderbird E-mail client from Mozilla. I don't know how graphically oriented it is, but... it's FREE and, people are constantly writing new Extensions for it so, hopefully if enough of us un-satisfied Incredimail users will be in touch with them and let them know what we need and want, someone will write it into the open source. I'm going to place a link to this discussion on a few websites and see if we can get a large number of Incredimail users to respond... I doubt that the "VIP Support" people will do anything to placate our complaints, but at least they need to earn their $$ by having to read and respond to them! I also have an older version of Incredimail that still has the OLD Junk Filter on it.. I need to check to see if it still works.. IF it does, I will NOT be upgrading to the NEW and improved Incredimail ! Thanks again for this Post and for voicing your concerns! Ben Incredimail... An incrediable waste of $$??? | In with the old, out with the new Written by Jim on 2006-01-22 09:40:36 Ben, Yes, the old versions of Incredimail still work. Good thing you kept a copy of it. I have few other friends as well who are using old versions for the same reason. If it's working ok, why upgrade if you're going to lose features? I've had many more problems with them than this one though, but this was pretty much the last straw. I've dealt with the "VIP Support" several times as well, and always ended up with a simplified excuse in the end and always a discount price on something. Complain about the Gold Gallery, get a discount. Complain about the JunkFilter Plus, get a discount on a 1-year subscription to it, etc., etc., anything as long as they still get money. After one of my previous issues with them--when they took away a lot of standard content and made it part of the Gold Gallery--I actually gave up and switched to Thunderbird myself. I think it lasted about a year, maybe a year and a half, and then I gave them another chance and switched back, even getting the Gold Gallery. When THIS issue came up I again gave up on them completely, and now I'm using Outlook 2003 because I need the additional features it provides with Contact Management and advanced e-mail & spam filtering. I did find one "add-on" that works with all e-mail clients EXCEPT Incredimail--which, in itself, made me smile with glee--that provides excellent emoticons and clipart support and works great. You can create your own collections in it and manage them with ease, and there's no proprietary graphic formats to deal with, it just uses standard jpg and gif images. It's called Smileycons. It would be a great add-on for your Thunderbird, you should consider it, especially if you're used to the features of Incredimail. You'll find it at Smileycons.com. Don't worry, it doesn't contain any spyware or popups whatsoever, but it IS a commercial program so it'll cost you a few dollars. Well worth it though. And if you end up going with it, let me know via a private message on this site--I have several homemade clipart collections for it that I can send you that you'll really enjoy! --JimT | I have a copy of the last release of Inc Written by b.precey on 2006-01-24 21:54:08 If anyone wants it I am willing to send it to this site in you downloads page? Please PM me | Earlier Release - Gold Gallery Written by LadyPzaz on 2006-01-26 00:44:42 I would be interested in the earlier release. I paid for the Junk Filter Plus so that I am not left high and dry with nothing and my Gold Gallery subscription just ran out. I refuse to pay anymore money! I agree with everyone's comments also! Thank you, LadyPzaz | No Old Gold Gallery Written by Jim on 2006-01-26 09:13:19 LadyPzaz, There is no old version of the Gold Gallery. This is an online feature, and not part of the Incredimail program itself. So when they removed a bunch of the free content and put it in the Gold Gallery is was no longer available to those who didn't subscribe. It's the JUNK FILTER feature that was removed from the program and replaced with the subscription-based JunkFilterPlus feature. And unfortunately--as I learned the hard way--Incredimail doesn't allow you to DOWNGRADE your installation. It refuses to install a previous version over a newer one. Even if you UNINSTALL your "new" version first, it still won't allow you to install a version older than the one previously installed! The only thing you can do is run Regedit, delete the entire Incredimail folder from both the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and HKEY_CURRENT_USER sections, and then install your older version of the program. Unfortunately you lose any custom file locations for all of your e-mail and clipart, but at least you can then use the older version with the free JunkFilter still there.
| Title did not fit it! Written by b.precey on 2006-01-30 12:47:26 I Have, and so does Jim now, have a copy of the Incredimail for Outlook. The last release before they stopped doing it. The title did not fit well on my first post. Apologies if it mislead anyone. | Incredicrap Bypass Written by amanda5635 on 2006-02-03 00:30:54 You can bypass InrediCraps new \"Junk Filter\": 1. Make a New Folder Name It Junk & Unapproved 2. Click on Tools Make a Message Rule for this folder. Pick Message Rule Received from Unapproved Sender 3. Apply this message rule to Inbox This tweak enables everything that the old junk mail folder had but the feature that deletes older email from the folder automaticly HAPPY JUNK FILTERING THE FREE WAY! | Incredi Greedy! Written by jmattwills on 2006-02-05 07:31:39 I too complained after Incredimail took away the Junkmail filter and got EXACTLY the same email from them days later saying the same thing. Now with the last version 2206 they seem to have taken away the Approved Senders option also. I paid for lifetime license from Incredimail and Letter Creator. Junkmail costs WAY TOO MUCH a Year for me to even think about buying it. I really liked the VIP Support years ago, but they have become greedy. And I'm going to probably dump them after this last incidence. I would complain....but all I would get is a ROBOT response. PS The Outlook version always crashed for me. | Incredimail Written by girlgone2fish on 2006-02-17 23:59:12 Jim, I very recently received the very same stock answers to the same comments you sent to Incredimail. The final response from Incredimail was: "I am sorry for your inconvenience is there anything I can do?" I detailed almost verbatium the same queries and comments you have. I too had Incredimail for Outlook and would like to replace it. My system crashed and I had just given my back up to a friend who lost it. I am looking for either an add on to Incredimail ( I really had some great sound bytes I had imported) or the file for Incredimail for Outlook. I will look into Thunderbird. Eve. | Same Complaint Written by Charlotte on 2006-04-12 22:31:17 GRRR I have the same. Just did an Incredimail update and now I have topay for the junk filter. I used to love the free version of Incredimail and was very satisfied, but now I am getting angry. I do not want to pay. Guess I will go to Thunderbird which we use on our Linux computer. Does anyone know if there are background for linux as well? | Amen!! Written by tiggerr129 on 2006-07-17 16:20:08 Wow!! You all echo my exact feelings! This is the one program I do not feel bad using a crack on. I even donate to free ware on occassion. I used to have a URL that pointed directly to the gold content. you could just change the name and collection name and download it. and then use it. Can't find it though. I always saved all my notifiers etc so I can still use the ones I collected long ago and scoured the web for user made ones. Heck the only reason I started using the dang thing way back when it was first introduced was because of the notifiers. Greedy creeps. | Does Incredimail support terrorism? Written by tagginannie on 2006-07-22 08:43:34 I just had let you and all your readers know that I just found out tht Incredimail corporate offices are in Tel Aviv Isreal they only rent office space hear. I also have the email addresses and phone numbers. Hear is somthing to think about, with all they money they make how much (if any) goes to suport terrorism? If you look at it Hamas just came in to power and they are known to be suspporters of terrorists, so the more people buy Incredimail products they might be unknowingly be helping to suport terrorism. Maybe I am just paranoid but after 9/11 I can't help it. Suzy | Lost my Incredimail downloads Written by PeeJay on 2006-10-12 11:40:11 I won't drag this out because from what I have seen everyone here has pretty much had the same complaints as myself. I had used their program for years when it was first free then I bought the life time premium pack. I had downloaded every thing fro the at gallery over the years on a slow 26.4 dial up. So you know that took alot of time. Well I had a virus get on one of my hard drives here a few months and I lost all of them. I wasn't useing my head and backed them up off my laptop and that died on me a few weeks back. So now even though I still can downlaod and use the program it doesn't help at all when they want me to pay for art etc....... that I had already paid to get and it. I refuse to pay for something I already paid for once. Company's complain about people shareing files and stuff but it is things like this that will push the honest people into doing just such. If anyone knows away to get around this or where I might could download the stuff again other then paying them I would be grateful for the info. As for the owners of Incredimail, If your reading this the good because if you want to carry me to court for asking for help on getting something I have already paid you for then more power to you. I should be taking you to court because to me you have taken something I paid you for. I guess lifetime to you is about the same as when they give someone life in prision. They get life in there but then they let them go when they want to same with you. You sold me a lifetime member ship but then took it away and want me to pay you for it again.and again.etc I think not!!!!!! Anyone that can help me feel please email me at
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or you can IM me on aim under the name me35kid thanks | Those Dirty Incredimail Bast@rds ! Written by onpar216 on 2006-11-29 20:43:14 Is this version of Wall Steet, where "greed is good! Greed Works!" Well, faq em. It doesn't. Thanks to jmattwills for his work around and clear thinking. I'm sure in a few days I'd have thought of it. Okay, maybe a couple of weeks, but eventally the would be gone, and some rational thinking would have been restored. Again, thanks to jmattwills. It's greatly appreciated. | Written by VickieLynn on 2007-08-13 18:06:03 I see that this is an old subject, but if anyone has the old version of Incredimail or the outlook add on.... I would love to have it. I'm screwed on it also | JIM -Incredinail OLDER Version Written by VickieLynn on 2007-08-13 18:07:21 please email me
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| Outlook Add-on Written by maegz2685 on 2007-11-01 12:08:06 I would also love to have the outlook add-on if anyone could send it to me, please send it to
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